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Machiavelli

Machiavelli is an interesting dude. On one hand his theories on how to be an effective leader seem to be extremely controversial and wrong. But on the other hand his rules and stipulations seem like incredibly accurate and are almost proven to work if a person wants to be an effective leader. This raises an interesting question, especially because the morality of The Prince seems to not exist, is it possible to be a moral and effective leader? Machiavelli makes it seem like both which is mind boggling as we humans tend to really try and think of everything we do as black and white. 

It is also very interesting that people hate this book, or at least love to hate it. This is interesting to me because again it is really good information to have if you want to be the most effective leader possible. It makes me wonder if Lorenzo de Medici made people hate it then because he was the Prince it became so ingrained in the nobility of Italy then spread outward to other countries nobilities that laughed at how it made their position seem so dirty and cruel perpetuating the idea that The Prince was so wrong and hateable.

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Ruscio

Ruscio claims that humility is the most important virtue in democratic leadership and believes that most people tend to leave it out when thinking of a strong leader because they don’t have the right definition or perception of what it really means to be humble. He makes this argument by redefining it and using historical illustrations to portray it. Admitting when you are wrong, showing weakness and imperfections, and being genuine are all traits of a humble person. He goes on to say how this consequently allowed for a stronger bond and thus more efficient leadership.

Ruscio’s argument is very interesting in the fact that he connects his argument, which seemed random at first, back to how in today’s society we are all questioning everything. Ruscio makes it seem that by being humble a leader is then more transparent and their constituents are more likely to trust them or at least have a stronger bond with them. However, in today’s “cancel culture” people are constantly completely disowning people for making simple mistakes, so I wonder how Ruscio would respond to that. However, there are more aspects other than admitting mistakes that are beneficial in becoming an effective leader.

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The Prince

Machiavelli’s The Princeis basically a blueprint of what a successful leader looks like. For the most part, I think Machiavelli’s work lays out what most people think of in terms of an effective leader in the highest position of power. The one, miniscule thing I did not agree with was his claim that a leader that comes into power through fortune has trouble maintaining their power. The entire monarchy in England disproves this; for nearly hundreds of years, England was ruled by a monarchy where the next seat on the throne was either given to someone in the family or someone who was designated by the monarch, barring conquest, of course.

 

Other than this claim, I found The Prince to be pretty reasonable. I was impressed with Machiavelli’s explanation of how a leader can be feared yet maintain the popularity of their people. Machiavelli asserts that if a leader had to be either loved or feared, it is better to be feared. When I read this at first, I thought this directly contradicts his claim that in order to be an effective ruler, one must have their people behind them. However, he explains that fear and absence of hatred can go together. If the ruler can exercise their power without infringing on the property or liberty of his citizens, this balance is possible. Machiavelli further clarified his point that being feared is more secure than being loved by explaining that being loved is up to his people and is out of his control. Conversely, being feared is up to the ruler and in his full control.

 

Lastly, a topic that we discussed in class resurfaced in this reading. Machiavelli recognized that it is difficult for a leader to have all the traits he described as essential to a successful rule. He maintains that it is really the perception of having these traits that is important. In talking about the 6 characteristics of charismatic leaders, we concluded that it’s the appearance of confidence that really matters, and it is unimportant whether or not the leader is actually confident.

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Machiavelli

In this article the question in my opinion that is begged is whether or not a leader of any sort strive for being feared or loved. In the ideal world the obvious answer would be both but if you can’t afford both then it is better to be feared. If you are just loved then people may look at you as just a peer and the folders may not listen to you. In order to be fully effective as a leader one must strive to be feared. When you are feared, you must attempt to have the followers be “fearful” of you which in return will make you most effective when getting messages across or trying to assemble things for your followers.

Previously in our class, a question that has been begged is whether or not leaders are born or made. If we take a look at some previous leaders in history who have been extremely prevalent in even todays society it is important to seek out MLK. He was someone who without being born into a religious family and his father being the “leader” at a chapel or being born during desegregation era then his role might not have been as important and he might not be able to make as big of an impact as he had done.

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Machiavelli “The Prince”

In “The Prince” by Niccolo Machiavelli he talks about all the ways to gain leadership in a monarchy and also ways to maintain that leadership in a monarchy. He talks about a lot of key points that caught my attention when reading through it. One of the things he says is that “It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things.” (105) This quote seems really important to me because a leader is supposed to bring new ideas and beliefs into action and when that gets shut down immediately than it just seems like a leader cant lead the way a leader is supposed to.

Another interesting point he talks about that made me think about leaders who have gained their position through family lineage is when he said “Those who rise from private citizens to be princes merely by fortune have little trouble in rising but very much n maintaining their position.” (106) This made a lot of sense to me when I read it because I can relate to situations in my life that someone may have gotten something through fortune but has trouble maintaining it because of how little they worked to get where they are or what they have. He goes on to give examples of princes who have worked for the position they want like Moses, Cyrus, Romulus, and Theseus.

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Machiavelli

Within this article, Machiavelli elaborated on the idea that fear should be instilled in the people in order for new ideologies to be introduced. He says how people have been accustomed to their own ways therefore creating resistance for new power. However, once that new power is established, the reign won’t last before citizens begin to resist in order to return to what it was before.

He goes on to explain how leaders like Moses, Cyrus, and Romulus have traits and actions that helped to create their success as leaders. He states, “and if their particular actions and methods are examined they will not appear very different”(104). Meaning that when you analyze their actions and traits, that these leaders are very similar. I found this interesting when relating it to our class discussion regarding charismatic leadership because of what makes a leader charismatic and how individuals share traits and actions that make them successful. In addition, i thought it was important how he added that opportunities presented themselves and these leaders ceased them in order to fulfill their goals for the people. In order for those traits to emerge, opportunities must surface to enable these leaders to take action.

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Machiavelli

I thought this was honestly somewhat boring to read. It was dry and not super entertaining. But the one thing that I found interesting was when Machiavelli said “states quickly founded, like all other things of rapid beginnings and growth, cannot have deep roots and wide ramifications, so that the first storm destroys them” (106) I thought that this idea is still very prevalent in today’s society in regions that are highly unstable. It can be seen that when a leader is overthrown, not only is it bad for the country, it is bad for the economy and the future growth of the country. This drastic change in leadership styles (usually anyway) causes severe instability and makes the countries around them and the international powerhouses hesitant to send aid. This just creates more problems because there is no chance for them to recover. Machiavelli follows up the earlier quote with “unless, as already said, the man who this becomes a prince is of such great genius as to be able to take immediate steps for maintaining the fortune thrown into his lap, and lay afterward those foundations which other make before becoming princes” (106-107). This basically says that there is a leader who is willing and capable of thinking toward the future and putting down ‘roots’ is the only way that the country will be stable. This is where this quote ties into leadership. There must be a strong leader to help the country then it may be able to be a country that is able to help its people and interact as a force with the world.

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The Monopoly of Violence

One of my main takeaways from this piece is that in order to establish new ideologies, there has to be some level of violence, or threat of violence, involved.

Machiavelli starts off by addressing the fact that people that are used to governing themselves and living by their own laws are going to be unwilling to adapt to new regimes of power. Even if there is success in establishing this new realm of thinking/governing, its preservation won’t last as it will not be long before the people begin to revolt to recover this sense of self agency. He also claims that there is nothing more difficult, unlikely to succeed, and dangerous than trying to initiate a new order. He argues that this is a result of never having actual support–claiming that the population consists of people who are either against the new order in totality or are ‘lukewarm supporters’. This type of resistance is one of the claims Machiavelli uses to justify violent reformation. 

Later in his argument, Machiavelli states that most new establishments will either accomplish nothing or fail unless

“…they can depend on their own strength and are able to use force…”. He believes that unless people are forced there is no way to ensure the movement’s success, no matter how skilled the person in persuasion. 

I do not agree with this article. Even though it may work to use violence to develop a new regime, this new power will not last under fear. If people are discontent, there will be rebellion and thus bloodshed. Force is not the most efficient way to establish a new concept, and it should not and would not be used by a truly effective leader.

 

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Machiavelli’s The Prince

One of the most renowned ideas from Machiavelli’s ‘The Prince’ is the question of is it better for a prince to be feared or loved, and the answer is both but, if you cannot be both then it is better to be feared because your subjects are kept submissive in fear that they will be punished. However, there are many other great ideas that most people tend to overlook because of that most famous one. One example is the idea of being born in the right time and the right place. Machiavelli explains that in “examining their life and deeds it will be seen that they owed nothing to fortune but the opportunity which gave them matter to be shaped into what form they saw fit; and without that opportunity their powers would have been wasted, and without their powers the opportunity would have come in vain” (pg. 104).

In previous classes, we have discussed whether a leader is born or made and in Machiavelli’s case he claims that they are made through the circumstances in their lives. He uses the example of Romulus and that he needed to be exiled from Alba and all the other succeeding events to happen in order to eventually become the king of Rome. In class, we used the example of MLK being born at the right time. If MLK wasn’t born during segregation and exposed to discrimination, who know if he would have become as big of a historical figure as he is now, especially since he was such a reluctant leader in the first place. I believe that leaders can be both born and made, yet there has to be a combination of the two. There are some qualities that people are born with that help them become leaders, like charisma and extroversion. However, some skills people can be taught and can work on them during their life, like public speaking skills and communication.

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Machiavelli’s The Prince

In Machiavelli’s The Prince, one line in particular stuck out to me: “One, however, who becomes prince by favour of the populace, must maintain its friendship, which he will find easy,  the people ask nothing but not to be oppressed” (113). I found this interesting because it goes directly contrary to how we thought of monarchies before this point. In England, if a person came into power legally (bloodline, designation, conquest), he would be a legal ruler regardless of the people’s preferences. The idea of needing the approval of the people reminds me of American democracy. To rise into the any political office requires the “favour of the populace,” but a person can only stay in that position if they can continue to maintain approval.

Another portion of the reading that caught my attention was on page 123 where Machiavelli talked about appearances versus actuality. He says that princes only need to appear as if they have the true qualities of a prince, and it does not matter whether they actually possess them or not. This reminded me of our discussion on charisma and whether it can be learned behavior versus inherent. Basically, our conclusion was that we ourselves cannot know unless we know the leader personally. Machiavelli says exactly this, that princes need to present himself with mercy, faith, humanity, sincerity, and religion, and only these 5 things, and his own qualities or personality traits do not matter.

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Tryannicide through Machiavelli lense

The point that Machiavelli made definitely makes sense. As much power as leaders have, they are not truly omniscient ever. If they are truly omniscient this is dependent on how tolerable they are to their followers and also have empowered their followers are to retaliate against them. I appreciate how Machiavelli adds that a King must not infuriate in the clergy. It is true that there are caste and class differences in most societies all over the world. It is not imperative in every society that the leaders please everyone. The real importance is that leaders either please enough people or simply enough of the right people.

A good example that this made me think about was Charles I. The fact that Charles I believed that he obtained Divine Right and was definitely a Tyrant is not actually relevant. This problem for Charles I appeared when he did not truly satisfy his clergy. It was exacerbated when he expressed his lack of acknowledgement of the issues that his clergy had. When he got enemies he became a target. He could have been like his father and believed what he wanted while still serving those at minimum would might challenge him. In this case, he probably would not have been assassinated. Machiavelli’s ideology definitely makes sense. No one really cares how much other people have unless they are truly without. Leaders can have as much power as they please if they continue to support those that are below them. When this expectation is broken people truly begin to get labeled and tyrants.

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Machiavelli- The Prince (10:30)

In The Prince, Machiavelli gives advice on the best way(s) for how rulers are to approach governing new cities with citizens who formerly lived freely under the law. In a way, citizens weren’t really restricted by laws because they helped create, implement and maintain their laws; they were autonomous. So, a ruler, maybe a prince, was to be the one who established any true “laws”. Because they were autonomous, I believe their “laws” should be called “agreements” or “[shared] norms” instead. Although Machiavelli gives three options for princes to take when governing a formerly autonomous, he strongly advises the first option for a prince to despoil the preexisting laws. He heavily supported the first option using this logic: if a prince takes reign over a free city without destroying it, then the prince will be destroyed by it because people can rebel against his rule in the name of liberty and tradition. I agree to the extent that citizens would only desire to return to their old way of law and rebel if the ruler does something undesirable/unfair and lacks authority anyway. Therefore, I believe the best option for a prince to take is option 2: “go and live there in person”. I understand this advice to be equivalent to, “If you can’t beat them, then join them.”

Machiavelli’s reference to Moses as a “prince by merit” challenged my thinking. I always thought that Moses was chosen by God because God had divine favor on him, not because of anything special that Moses had done or possessed. When I think of merit, I think of hard work and dedication put into something (that would eventually produce an outcome). So, would it really be appropriate to say that Moses was a “prince by merit” and not fortune? In technical terms, Moses was not a prince by fortune either. I think of “fortune” having a more secular connotation, in which the universe, not God, can reward one with “good fortune”. Perhaps, it would be more probable to make good “fortune” synonymous with “blessings (in Biblical terms).

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Blog Post 5: Machiavelli, “The Prince”

In Niccolò Machiavelli’s famous 16th-century work, The Prince, the author presents a guide of written solutions to successfully ruling a regime with an absolute monarchy. His argument is concise: big, radical ideas lead to political divisiveness. Machiavelli says, “there is nothing more difficult to carry out, more dangerous to handle than to initiate a new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order” (105). In this response, I want to focus on this idea that Machiavelli presents saying that brand new ideas can result in a weak government and scare away followers’ loyalty. In his first few chapters, the author presents all different leadership scenarios and different ways that princes may have seized power. This framework for the rest of the book allows Machiavelli to present various situations a prince might put his values before those of the people, leading to a detrimental effect on the people. Conversely, Machiavelli argues that princes “must not mind incurring to the charge of cruelty for the purpose of keeping his subjects united and faithful,” (119) meaning that leaders sometimes have to make immoral decisions in the best interest of the people. However, what is important is that the prince appears to be one of the people, even if that is not necessarily true.

 

The Prince reminded me of many of the same principles of Plato’s The Allegory of the Cave and the discussion we had in class today that leaders may not always be 100% truthful to their followers. This idea ties into Machiavelli’s argument that if a prince presents lofty ideas to his people, the government will be weak, and the opposite effect if he makes a seemingly “cruel” decision. Plato’s work argues that a leader cannot give followers reality all of the time and that we cannot know everything and anything, while Machiavelli argues that the appearance of being reliable may be just as important as actually executing that promise. The idea of the “real”, the “model”, and the “shadow” apply to lead in situations such as those presented by Machiavelli in the earlier chapters of his book.

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Machiavelli

Machiavelli’s excerpt from The Prince discusses the ways in which a prince, ruling over a city, is able to retain his power. over a city that is accustomed to liberty. He can either rule from afar and lay waste to the city, or he can reside in the city and rule from within. Machiavelli’s cynical view of politics and republicanism is on full display when he notes that the ruler of a free city will either destroy the city himself or allow himself to be destroyed by the city. Machiavelli believes that republicanism and personal liberty will bring out the most dangerous and negative behavior in humans and will ultimately wage destruction on the city or state. There is a degree of power and control the prince must have, and a very clear separation from his followers/subjects in order for him to stay in power. The place of the prince is clearly constructed, stable, and exercises power from the center- he does not change or allow himself to be influenced by the changing tides of the state or its public opinions.

I think this connects to one of the discussions we had in class today, specifically about how our own truths and realities are often distorted because we could never understand the burden and position of being a leader. Likewise, the leader has a very different perception of reality since they do not understand the personal wants and needs of the followers- simply because they are not one of them. In Machiavelli’s case, he directly argues against the notion of the leader trying to understand the realities of his followers- precisely because Machiavelli believes the people, with too much power and liberty, will tear down societal and political institutions and cause chaos. Similarly, his quintessential idea of “the end justifying the means” calls into question the morals and the ethics of politicians. Are politicians required to make unjust, unethical decisions in order to preserve the state and keep the people safe? To what degree should the common people be informed of these decisions? Machiavelli’s answer is that the prince needs a stable, static role in the polity, or else the polity would cease to exist. This is a very pessimistic and cynical view of politics, but it is one of the concepts Machiavelli is most famous for. He also wrote much of his work in an increasingly unstable and chaotic state of Italian politics and social order, which likely explains his view of government and its role in the life of the people.

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Machiavelli, “The Prince”

In reading Niccolo Machiavelli’s The Prince, I couldn’t help but wonder if this text served as the basis for Thomas Carlyle’s “Great Man Theory.” In the opening paragraph, the idea of the great man is introduced. Machiavelli states, “I have been unable to find among my possessions anything which I hold so dear or esteem so highly as that knowledge of the deeds of great men,” (101.) Two pages later, Machiavelli again mentions the idea of the great man, advising that “a prudent man should always follow in the path trodden by great men and imitate those who are most excellent,” (103).

Machiavelli was born almost three hundred years before Carlyle, and the concept of looking at the leadership of “great men” remained prevalent over that span of time. To put into perspective, the United States isn’t even three hundred years old. I think it is really interesting that with one hundred forty years since Carlyle’s death, we are still analyzing this theory. In the podcast we listened to about “The Great Man Theory,” the hosts talked about how history is regarded as progress. However, after realizing how long this theory has been in place, I am scared that we have made little progress.

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The Prince

Machiavelli writes The Prince with the intention of teaching how to rule and his work is known and respected worldwide. He talks a lot about the manipulation of fear in a prince’s favor. He argues that fear can be used to maintain power and is not necessarily a bad thing. He also argues that you do not have to be loved as long as you are not hated. I think this is interesting because all of the other works we read and discuss in class only seem to talk about being liked. We spent a lot of time talking about charisma and how important it was that a great leader had charismatic qualities that include being likable. So I think it’s interesting that Machiavelli does not put that much emphasis on that like the other authors.

I also think it’s interesting how Machiavelli argues that in order for a new prince that is taking over a free state or a prince that comes to power through violence should destroy not wound. I completely agree with him on this issue even though it may seem cruel or harsh. People who once knew freedom will not take kindly to being ruled by a prince so it is important that you destroy their sense of freedom so that they do not rebel. The same goes for a prince who has seized power through violence. they must destroy all of the people who were in power before to prevent rebellions as well.

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The Prince

Machiavelli brings up many points as to how to be a great leader. He discusses many ways a leader can rule their people. Machiavelli talks about how to become a ruler, then how to stay on their thrown. Machiavelli through out his paper talks about many opposites that can keep a ruler in charge, but they must choice one side of doing things.

Machiavelli brings up the arguement is it better to be feared or loved by your followers. I believe the answer to this question is both and also lies with the responsibility you hold. For some leaders such as bosses and CEOs they must have the suppport of their workers but also must remain in charge. The question also comes up alot in parenting is the question, is it better to be their parent or their friend. Again one must be both to grow a healthy relationship.

If a leader is very loved they have the respect of their people, but may not always have their obidience and control over them. For a prince he must be able to control his country so he may choose fear. However if the people are scared of their leader they may not trust them. This will lead to many problems for a prince and his country.

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Event Response Post #1: WILL*/WGSS Speaker Series Fatimah Asghar

On Tuesday, September 24th, I attended the first lecture in the Audacious Voices WILL*/WGSS Speaker Series, If They Come For Us: An Afternoon with Fatimah Asghar. Fatimah Asghar is a poet, screenwriter, educator, and performer; she is the writer of If They Come for Us, the writer and co-creator of Brown Girls, and the co-editor of Halal If You Hear Me. I am a member of the WILL* program and a minor in Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies, but I also attended this talk to analyze from the leadership studies lens. Fatimah is an extremely influential artist whose creative expression makes statements about her identity as a queer, Muslim woman in the United States. She told a fascinating story that an editor read her poems and said he “loved how her poems about nature didn’t make political statements like many modern-day poets”. Fatimah noted that if people can’t understand that her art expressions were standing for political activism, that epitomizes his political stance right there. Her poetry addresses gender-based issues with bodily autonomy and gender expression as well as being a Pakistani Muslim woman in the United States today. Fatimah’s points reminded me a lot of our class’s initial discussion of what leadership is and what it might not come in the form of public speaking or overt activism, but art forms and literature can make equally profound impacts. If someone or their work has a following (in Fatimah’s case, the readers of her poems and viewers of her screen series) then they can be analyzed from a leader/follower perspective. Fatimah’s emotional, verbal, and written expressions not only make statements about her life as a queer, Muslim woman but also speak to readers in similar minority positions AND privileged positions as a call to action.

I went to a WILL* dinner and discussion with Fatimah following her talk, and she spoke a lot about her life experiences working in theater, education, literature, and as a student. A point I took away from her was her definition of a “good mentor”; she told me that the most impactful mentors she’s had in her life have been the ones who haven’t tried to put her on a specific path that aligns with their values. I found this extremely valuable with regard to smaller-scale leadership roles– such as parenting or mentoring in the community– because followers do not come to action if they feel they are being told what to do. Her interdisciplinary work tied not only into my WGSS education but also what I’m learning about in Leadership and the Humanities because of her incredible work as a mass influencer.

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Machiavelli – The Prince

Machiavelli’s point about the oppressor versus being oppressed is one that I have found to be brought up a lot in class discussions. I remember talking about how in order to be relieved from oppression, sometimes you must become the oppressor and I think that can tie into this topic because the article mentioned how if the prince seems to be too wish-y washy or even if they gain their prince-ship from family, they can be easily overturned and removed from power (I am absolutely not saying that oppression or anything is good lol just making that clear). Relating that more to leadership and being a good prince and the whole “being feared” idea, I think that in a way, it makes sense because for them to maintain power and control of the people, they can’t seem to be too persuasive and unsure of what they are doing. Basically, I agree that for a prince to be really effective, they do need to have a fear factor about them so that it keeps people in check and the people don’t want to go against him as long as he really is providing for them and they feel like they are being taken care of. I remember having teachers that I was so scared to talk to or make a mistake in front of just because the vibe of the classroom was so serious and down to business but I also remember that the teacher was one of the best I had had in the way that they taught and that is the point of going to school. We are there (or here) to learn and the retaining of the information is more important than if I was the teacher’s favorite or if they were fun.

 

I also thought the idea about causing chaos in order to gain control, or to at least seem like you are fixing the problem even though you really were the reason it all started. While this is definitely manipulation on the prince’s part in order to seem more put together, it clearly works because people use it now but usually in less serious matters. Even as demonstrations, someone may get people fired up about something and then make a statement that puts things into perspective which might not have been appreciated if the first person had not been as mad or angry.

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Machiavelli

I thought that Machiavelli made a decent point when he said, “Those who rise from private citizens to be princes merely by fortune have little trouble in rising but very much in maintaining their position” (106).  Getting to a position of power is not difficult for these people, but once they are there, they may have a difficult time in said position, because maybe they don’t deserve to be there in the first place. I think he focuses on how to maintain power because a lot of the time in the past and present, power is inherited, therefore they are not necessarily built for a leadership position.

Machiavelli also talks about how it is important for a prince to want to be seen as merciful rather than cruel. This is another way to maintain power and obviously you would want your followers to see you this way. However, in my opinion yes a leader should be merciful, but instead of worrying about ones image, a leader should put all their focus onto what their followers want and believe in.

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