I  definitely enjoyed the lunch conversation we had with Dr. Coogan, Terence, and Kelvin. One thing that struck me, especially on the walk from the parking lot to the dining hall, was the easy camaraderie between all of them. The way that they all interacted with each other was very telling in that they treated each other like normal people. The moment when all of them started laughing about Stan as “the Preacher” felt so human. Also, like a lot of us, I think, I was struck by how real the stories in that book were. I knew – logically – that it was real, but seeing those guys in person really drove it home. Everything – every sad, wrong, or gut-wrenching thing – that they described in the book, whether about their lives or about the criminal justice system, exists in our real world. And I guess the moment we were able to actually lay eyes on them, there was absolutely no avoiding that anymore.