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translation and commentary by Ava Scott (’26)<\/p>\n

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Theognis 31-8<\/b><\/p>\n

31 <\/b>So know these things: do not associate with evil men,<\/span><\/p>\n

32 <\/b>but always cling to the good ones.<\/span><\/p>\n

33 <\/b>Drink and eat with those men,<\/span><\/p>\n

34 <\/b>and sit with them,<\/span><\/p>\n

35 <\/b>and please them, because they have great power.<\/span><\/p>\n

36 <\/b>From good men, you will learn good things,<\/span><\/p>\n

37 <\/b>but if you associate with evil men,<\/span><\/p>\n

38 <\/b>you will lose even the sense that you have.<\/span><\/p>\n

39 <\/b>So be in company with the good,<\/span><\/p>\n

40 <\/b>and someday,<\/span> you\u2019ll say that I give good advice to my friends.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Theognis 503-10<\/b><\/p>\n

503 <\/b>My head is heavy with wine, Onomacritus, and wine constrains me;<\/span><\/p>\n

504 <\/b>I am no longer the manager of my own judgement,<\/span><\/p>\n

505 <\/b>and the room is running around in circles. But come, let me stand up<\/span><\/p>\n

506 <\/b>and try to find out how the wine holds captive<\/span><\/p>\n

507 <\/b>my feet and my wits.<\/span> I am afraid<\/span><\/p>\n

508 <\/b>that I might do something rash while drunk and be greatly disgraced.<\/span><\/p>\n

509 <\/b>It\u2019s bad to drink a lot of wine, but if someone drinks it skillfully,<\/span><\/p>\n

510 <\/b>it is not a bad, but a good.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Commentary (Theognis 31-8, 503-10)<\/b><\/p>\n

Line 32:<\/b> The word \u201ccling to\u201d can also be taken in the sense of \u201clay hold on\u201d and \u201ctake advantage of\u201d (Allan 2019, 166).<\/span><\/p>\n

Line 38:<\/strong> Allan 2019, 166.<\/span><\/p>\n

Line 40:<\/strong> Inspired by J.M. Edmonds\u2019 translation, 1931.<\/span><\/p>\n

Line 504:<\/b> \u201cManager\u201d refers to the <\/span>\u03c4\u03b1\u03bc\u03b9\u03b1,<\/span><\/i> who was a servant with a special status who managed things of value in the house.<\/span><\/p>\n

Line 507:<\/b> \u201cWits\u201d can be literally translated \u201cmy mind in my chest.\u201d Many ancient cultures believed that the mind was located in the heart, because the heart beats faster when one is emotional.<\/span><\/p>\n

Translation for line 37 inspired by J.M. Edmonds, 1931.<\/span><\/p>\n

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